General Discussion

It’s also judgemental, non-validating, dismissive and self righteous. It puts you on a high horse, being better than others. When did Jesus ever teach that? It also creates the exact Us vs. Them mentality present in highly controlling religious settings.

What you can’t seem to figure out and relate to, is that people who have left HOP, were hurt tremendously by the org. You can only see saving your safety net, by calling them quitters, on the sinternet no less, disregarding the experience of those who left. Don’t you live in a house that is not of your own? How did your landlord afford it with no job? How do you deny that truth?

My husband had 6 houses in his name. He had no job besides servant hood to the church. Literally next to nothing in income. Yet, the org exploited him and the system to make it appear he had the income to afford 6 mortgages. No way HOP was paying the at least $200k income needed to support 6 mortgages. This alone is financial abuse. For more reasons of seeing deception, he left. Financially ruined with no job skills and no cert to be a minister anywhere else. He claimed bankruptcy as the only way to get the houses out of his name. Can you have empathy for that? No, you call him and others “quitters” for not continuing to be abused. He could not afford those mortgages. Nor could anyone in HOP that had/has multiple mortgages and no actual jobs with income. Set aside the crime of it… embrace the feeling inside, if experiencing that a pastor and his crew would encourage these financial lies and deceptions is in itself, abuse too. Creating more fear and power imbalance by exploiting and expecting people to emotionally cherry pick the meaning of lying and go against basic honest values. In a church no less!! What a mind scramble. To make this point stronger… during bankruptcy (or divorce, we forget) proceedings, the church got their nose in there and literally tried to put those multiple mortgages into his ex-wife’s name!!! She who also didn’t have a job! They were willing to exploit her to get what they wanted - to maintain their financial power and control over your housing dependance. Happily the judge threw that crap out. Sadly ya’ll probably didn’t know the church went to such extremes. It took a decade for him to recover his credit. Is that Godly behavior to put your flock in a destitute position for your gain? No. It is not.

That described is abuse. He didn’t quit. He escaped exploitation. The very fact that “quitters” is used so comfortably shows the guilt and shame tactics of emotional abuse. Which sadly, ya’ll have so readily accepted as normal from the top down. Sorry. Jesus would never dump that shame and guilt on His children. He releases us of it… as Pastors should model to the congregation. He expects us to have empathy as the foundation of His love pouring from within and out to the world.

As the old saying goes… “People don’t quit jobs, they quit managers.” Ex-members haven’t quit God, they quit management: House Of Pastors Committing Crimes. Good for him! Good for them. God protected them and gave them a path OUT. He can do the same for you, we won’t call you “quitters.”

So, go along with calling people quitters and someday I hope you self reflect on how your empathy is lacking for other peoples true experiences within their time at HOP. Jesus had tremendous empathy in His character. He has never called you a quitter and gave up on you. He never will set you apart from Him. Same as He won’t for those who had a sense of what’s wrong and self preservation of their integrity and QUIT being ABUSED.

Strangely what you can’t comprehend is the showing of empathy in this site and protests, etc, from ex-members to YOU. They actually care and fear you being exploited further. They haven’t given up on you either.

Imagine if the org fails and you are out on the streets (like, I cannot imagine who FNULNU would turn anything over to) …To start over with nothing. Financially destroyed and facing bankruptcy yourself…. Trying to find a job with no skills in most cases. Many married to someone they don’t even love…Are you a quitter because you didn’t supply enough attorney money? … or are you a victim of a swindler who stole decades of your lives and emotional investment, under false pretenses? Can you handle that future only relying on Jesus himself? Deep down are you afraid of facing that which is a valid scenario at this point? Well friend… that’s been the reality of many who have left. They are not quitters, they are survivors. That described may be very well be your reality soon, and the deepest valley you are ever in. Deeper than now just losing your polycom preacher to jail. (We can’t say his presence because he hasn’t been around anyways,) FNULNU is the cause of your valley in that situation. FNULNU will not be there to save you or hold your hand. You’ll be all alone … except Jesus, He’ll be there for you!! Turn to God in deep prayer like the one I supplied above, for empathy to come into your hearts.

I pray you can be a true Overcomer in those dark days. Reach out! All these “quitters” are full of empathy and know exactly what you’ve been through. Amen. 🙏