Does this sound familiar? NTCC/HOPCC both the same evil organizations

This is a testimony from a minister that left NTCC. Doesn't it sound familiar to what HOPCC is doing? Rony and Marjorie Denis did not care about anyone in HOP and just made themselves rich on the backs of all of us that were and are still there. I remember Marjorie Denis walking in one time with her red $5,000 Prada shoes. I know they cost that much because I looked it up, wow. What about her expensive purses, her nicely decorated house that looked like a magazine photo and so on. Please take time to read this testimony and you will see that HOPCC did not deviate from NTCC. Nothing changed it just got worse. Please feel free to post your own experiences.

4/01/2009

Why I left NTCC

By Casey Hayes

"I want to explain to everyone why I left ntcc and why I am speaking out against them now. I was in ntcc from 1982 – 2006. Most of those years were as an ordained minister in good standing. When I first left ntcc in 2006, I just wanted to go away quietly, and not say anything negative. But after exhaustively reading all the complaints against ntcc, studying the issues, and talking to people firsthand—I am absolutely convinced that ntcc is a seriously messed up church organization; that it uses cult tactics to manipulate and control it’s preachers and their families; and that their main purpose is to make Davis and the Kekels incredibly rich.

I left ntcc, because I was completely disillusioned with the whole organization, especially the leaders. It became very evident to me that 24 years of loyal service didn’t amount to a hill of beans, and that I would always be broke and in poverty if I remained in ntcc any longer.

Me, my wife and my two kids had just come back from 3 years of intense hardship in Puerto Rico. Although, the church eventually gave us some support there, it was lukewarm support, and Rev. Olson made it very clear that the church could not “afford” to help us more. I won’t go into the details here, but I will say that I sold my house and cars to go to PR, and spent $8000 of my OWN money. In the 3 years we lived there, we had NO furniture—and were broke most of the time. I even got very sick down there (so sick I couldn’t work), but the leadership of ntcc acted like they didn’t care. All they cared about was—church reports and offerings. We were the Fourth couple to go to Puerto Rico (Medina, Casanova & Ramirez went before us), and that ALL the previous couples had also gone through intense financial problems down there, with lukewarm support, if any. It also became very apparent that Rev. Olson (who I have always looked up to), could not make ONE decision, no matter how minor, without getting permission from Davis. I thought he was CEO?

When I got back from PR I was physically, emotionally and spiritually drained. The church gave us a cold welcome. Some of you know what I am talking about. Now, friends of mine were happy to see me, but the leadership’s reception was a lot cooler. I had no possessions, no car, no nothing. But, what shocked me the most was how incredibly wealthy the Kekels and Davis were. Here we were basically starving (as are the missionaries in Panama and elsewhere), but the leaders are living in plush luxury. Olson said the church didn’t have the money to help us properly, but it is because the majority of the money is siphoned off to support the lifestyles of Davis and his family. Is this really what God had in mind? Is this really supported by the Bible? No way! As far as I’m concerned, ntcc is nothing but a big sham, and Davis is just a spiritual conman, who has duped a lot of people into giving all their money and time to make him and his daughter rich. Don’t tell me it’s God blessing, because it’s not. Anyone can guilt trip thousands of people into giving them 10% of their money and then live like kings. God has nothing to do with it.

Let me tell you the thing that pushed me to leave ntcc. Tanya and her mother were constantly coming up to me before and after church to tell me how much they were praying for me. At first I appreciated it, but after a couple of weeks it started getting annoying. I thought, “Why don’t your husbands come up to me?” Why the wives? But, it was basically, “Be ye warmed and filled…” while they went back to their mansions. Well, Tanya felt sorry for me so she gave me a bag full of old towels and sheets. They were wore out and had a hole in them, but I had nothing, so I gratefully took them. The next day I get in my $800 car and am driving down the street, when Tanya drives by in a brand new BMW 745!! That’s like a $100,000 car! It was then that I knew I had absolutely no value to ntcc. After 24 years of faithful service, I was worth a bag of old towels. You or me would have flipped someone $20 and said, go buy yourself some towels and sheets, but not the leadership of ntcc. They weren’t going to part with a penny of their wealth to help anyone, even though their sole income is from the tithes and offerings that you an I give. I calculated that I have given ntcc about $85,000 in tithe over the years. Doesn’t that count for anything? No way. Soon after that I see Mike Kekel tooling around in a brand new convertible Mercedes sports car ($65,000). Their son’s private schooling cost $18,000+ a year. You really get the impression that the Kekels have more money than they know what to do with—but don’t expect them to help you when you’re down and out. What does Tanya and her mother spend most of their time doing? Shopping (and everyone knows it).

Now, for those of you who think I jealous or envious, you’re wrong. I have no problem with a pastor living in a nice house and driving a new car. But, when almost all the church ministers are at the poverty level (and you know they are), while the leadership is living a life of intense luxury—something is seriously wrong. Why don’t you loyal ntccers open your eyes and see the obvious—that Davis has set up ntcc to make his family, and his only, incredibly rich. And he uses cult tactics to guilt trip everybody into giving their hard earned money to make them richer. (Even when I had no money to buy food for my family, or buy my kids clothes, I STILL paid my tithe). Are you aware that Davis’ house is valued at 1.1 million, and that Kekels’ is valued at $650,000. And both houses are decked out with the most expensive drapes, rugs, and furniture money can buy. Yet, if YOU want to buy a house, they will make you feel like you’re selling out God and putting the world first. How come they can have it, but you can’t?

So I left ntcc and it has been great. Yes, it was tramatic at first, because I felt like I had wasted 24 years of my life in a messed-up organization. But, God has blessed and I have made more money and been happier than anytime I was in ntcc. And I know it is God that has blessed me. They want you to think that those who leave ntcc are miserable, but it is ALL A LIE!!. Everyone I know who has left is doing great, and most find another church that appreciates them and lets them do what God wants them to do. There IS life after ntcc, and it is a whole lot better than what you have now.

Lastly, the reason I am speaking out against ntcc is because I am sick of the hypocrisy, the double standards, the fake holiness (where they dress holiness, but act without God’s love and mercy), the abusive pastors who never get punished, and the manipulation through fear and guilt of a lot of good men and women. NTCC has hurt a LOT of people. They have broken up families. They have destroyed good, godly men and women. They have caused much emotional and spiritual damage—sometimes permanently. Why does Tanya and her mother intentionally break up a marriage if one of the couples decides not to attend ntcc anymore? Where is that in the Bible? I thought Jesus said that what God has joined together, man should not separate? What hurt the most for me, was hearing that Davis and Kekel were going around lying about me, and saying I “misappropriated” money sent to us in PR. God and the angels in Heaven know that is a complete lie. They also say I left the church, because I wanted “money”. Sure I do—I was always living in poverty in ntcc, so why not want some money now that I’m out? I’m just trying to take care of my family like the Bible teaches. Davis and Kekel sure love money, and nobody seems to have a problem with that. At least I get my money honestly, without manipulating poor families into giving what they cannot, or jacking people up.

I honestly don’t know why some of you are still in ntcc. I guess, because they are so secretive of everything, and don’t let you talk to others in different works, you don’t see how bad things really are. When you do finally leave and look back with 20/20 vision, you’ll be shocked by what you see. And you’ll wonder why you didn’t leave years ago.

Posted by Casey Hayes at 4/01/2009 06:56:00 PM

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Under the comment section, he added some of this information:

Casey Hayes said...

There is a lot more. Kekel has thousands of dollars of musical instruments that he never uses for the church. He has a $4000 handmade acoustic guitar, a $5000 mandolin (although he only paid $2500!), a steel guitar, a banjo, etc. When I first got back from PR they invited me over. They don't realize the damage they did by doing that. After being in intense poverty, I couldn't deal with being in their intense wealth. I had to use the bathroom while there and I almost cried.... seriously. Their houses are like something out of a glossy magazine. It's immoral. Plus, they have dirt bike(s) and quad(s) which they keep hidden from everyone. I asked someone who is still in if they ever saw the Mercedes sports car and they said never. Why does he hide the "blessings of God"? Because he knows that many would not understand.

April 01, 2009 9:00 PM

------------------------------------------------------------------------He passed me almost every day for months driving his son to private school in that Mercedes. He is either lying; sold it and is pretending he didn't have it; or Davis owns it. He also told another minister that the BMW 745 was his also. At the same time he still had his Ford SUV and possibly his Cadillac. That's 3 or 4 cars.

It's also interesting to note that Rev. Olson drives an older Cadillac, and Rev. Johnson has a very old Mercedes. Even though they are some of the top ministers in ntcc, they don't seem to have alot of money-- only Davis' family.

April 01, 2009 11:35 PM

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OK, it was a Mercedes SLK 55 AMG. This is a top of the line model. Officially it is a "roadster" and not a "convertible"-- but the hardtop comes off. I'm sure Kekel was just confused about the definition of convertible. It retails for $65,000, has a 5.5L V-8 with 355 hp. I'm sure he needs all that horsepower to pick up all the people he's bringing out to church. Google it under Images to see a picture.

April 02, 2009 8:45 AM

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Casey said...

No, ntcc didn't take away my license. I voluntarily did not renew it (not that an ntcc license is a "real" ministers license). I told Olson that I would not renew it, because I felt ntcc didn't care about me. I have no desire to be a minister in any church any more.

I don't know about Davis' true intentions when he started this church. My opinion (and this is just my opinion), is that he started ntcc, because he kept getting into trouble in previous churches, and wanted to be in control of a church where he could not be questioned. The narcissistic nature of Davis caused him to set it up so that he had total control of all the money, and doled it out as he saw fit (which primarily benefited him). He also set it up so that he was above being questioned about anything-- and if you did question his actions he would run you off.

Did he ever care about souls? Maybe, maybe not. But, due to his selfish nature he can never put other people's desires above his desires. Or put God's desires above his own desires. If you study out narcissists it says that many of them gravitate toward being religious leaders. Why? Because they are all about controlling others.

April 02, 2009 2:26 PM

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Anonymous said...

to casey:

it boggles my mind how you and your family had to endure such poverty when the org is/was well able to help you financially. that IS why we gave in all those world missions pledges, isn't it?

it also brings to mind the Fellowship Meeting Offereings pledges taken up during fellowship meetings. I remember the speil about these beig for the "new" works in that particular area.

did any of you all (ministers) ever receive from this offering when you went to a new place to pioneer a work? (fair question seeing as my family gave in those offerings for over 15 years.)

didn't the "churches" in the new testament, take up offerings for the MEMBERS of the church in Jeruselem? just wondering if I read that right.

and for raising questions such as these, "we" are considered bitter, evil, jealous, covetous, bashers and on and on.

------------------------------------------------------------------------Casey Hayes said...

Where DID all that money go? Nobody seems to know who, if anyone, ever got that money. I remember being in a conference where something like $100,000 was raised. But the missionaries don't get a whole lot of help. What little help Puerto Rico got was NOT from World Mission offerings. As for Fellowship Meeting offerings-- same thing-- nobody knows where that money goes, because nobody ever gets help starting a new work. You have to use your own money. It's a big mystery.

I visited my Mom's church once, and on the back of the church pamplet it told you how much they receive every year in tithe and offerings($18 million), and broke down where all the money went. Amazing. In ntcc, if you ask how much is received every year and where it all goes, you will be met with complete silence and marked as a troublemaker.

April 02, 2009 11:03 PM

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Vic Johanson said...

Well, I know that I paid for months on a pledge for Panama, only to find out that the work had been closed and NTCC had no one over there. When I busted them out, they acted all offended and came up with an interesting yarn about "escrowing" the money.

Seems like these "escrow" accounts are quite lucrative for them.

April 03, 2009 5:18 AM

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Casey Hayes said...

My purpose for sharing these stories is not to give you guys a sob story. But, I know for a fact, that many, many ntcc ministers go through the same thing-- and have to endure incredible suffering, receiving no help from the leadership whatsoever, spending what little money they have been able to scrape together-- all the while the leaders sit back and live a lavish lifestyle.

It's wrong.

Does anybody in ntcc really think that someone like the Kekels would be willing to sell everything they have, pack up an old car, and head out to pioneer a new work with a couple thousand dollars-- and no help from the church? No way Jose'. Yet, that is exactly what the majority of ministers in ntcc do.

April 03, 2009 7:41 AM

------------------------------------------------------------------------And on that note, I will leave you to ponder this testimony from Casey.   When you finally leave, you too will find out how many lies have been told about pretty much anyone who has left.   They cannot let you believe that anyone left for a good reason because then you might think you can just get up and leave and exert your free will too. 

Has anything changed since 2009 when this was written?

Is there transparency now? 

Does anyone know where all that World Missions money goes?

Where in the world is the accountability? 

Where does all the World Missions monies go?  

Has it all been piling up somewhere through the decades. 

There's lots of stories about these escrow accounts in NTCC.  

Who knows the answers and why isn't this corporation transparent in any of their financial ways?  

I wonder if they should have to produce information to the giving public upon request? 

And as former members who gave a ton of money....are we able to ask to see the financial reports from the years in which we gave? 

I would love to know the answers to at some of these questions. 

Wouldn't you?

Shouldn't you?